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Im personally a bit disappointed at the lineup, I dont see much variety and theres not a huge amount that im excited about but there are still quite a few bands that i will be seeing and I'll be on the beach all day anyway. I also understand that others may think this lineup is amazing and I'm well aware that I will have an excellent festival and probably find a new affinity for some of the guys that are playing.

Boban has an almost impossible task when up against the bigger, more commercial, metal festivals so I always am happy so long as theres one or 2 bigger bands that i like.

With regards to the weakened 2nd tier of bands, I'm not sure about current pricing but not long ago Marilyn Manson was charging £1.2million for a festival appearance ( look into the alt-fest debarcle in the UK). If its even close to that amount, it must be a huge chunk of the MD budget meaning they will need cheaper bands and more free ones.

Overall though, im happy with what ive got at MD, will take a hell of a lot for me not to be going again next year.


Wed Mar 08, 2017 4:21 pm
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I was also a bit surprised to see Batushka on the bill, just like Mgla. Sure they both are the most hyped acts in the BM scene right now, but they usually venture in other types of events (more extreme metal fests and touring with sort of occult black/death bands). Even if they start opening on more mainstream stuff, like Mgla touring with Behemoth last year or Batushka starting to plat at every single festival).

So seeing them on a more run-of-the-mill fest like MD, which usually pulls bands that are your average popular band on Nuclear Crap label and similar is a bit unsettling. Not that I complain, as they are (along Absu) the best bands offered this year.

And to be honest, I can easily ignore all the headliners and big bands (the "logo bands" on the flyer) that eat 80% off the budget if there are a dozen 2nd/3rd tier quality bands, which is unfortunately not the case (again). So I'm not asking for too much to get a decent line-up, definitely feasible.


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That's why there's a lot of talking about 3rd class band's representing whole their music genre at MD this year. It's not meant as disrespect toward booked bands, but more about their status in music they represent.

Those small groups are relatively decent supporting bands usually and we like them as bonus, but when they represent peak of music offer at such festival then you know how poor music offer this year is.
Among all this rock and hippie stuff there's barely any established metal band. But a lot of mediocre names nearly top of the list.

supporting bands?

IMO headliners are always 80% pure shit - I come there to enjoy the good music what those "2-3rd class" bands offer. Thats the real thing (for me), big bands just usually dont represent that music what I like

jonnny wrote:

Boban has an almost impossible task when up against the bigger, more commercial, metal festivals so I always am happy so long as theres one or 2 bigger bands that i like.

you dont need big bands to make good festival. big bands usually are musically pretty boring

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I was also a bit surprised to see Batushka on the bill, just like Mgla.

So seeing them on a more run-of-the-mill fest like MD, which usually pulls bands that are your average popular band on Nuclear Crap label and similar is a bit unsettling. Not that I complain, as they are (along Absu) the best bands offered this year.

And to be honest, I can easily ignore all the headliners and big bands (the "logo bands" on the flyer) that eat 80% off the budget if there are a dozen 2nd/3rd tier quality bands, which is unfortunately not the case (again). So I'm not asking for too much to get a decent line-up, definitely feasible.


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Hi to all,
Thank you for your posts.
To be honest, I even don't know many of those bands...but the fact is that 90% of those bands do not offer themselves for MD...not their agents do...in case they have one. in 90% of the cases this work exactly the way I said...agent or bands are offering them...it is not that promoters are looking for bands. I am pretty sure that 98% of all bands that are available is ending in my inbox. The ones that do not are unavailable or just not professional enough to let promoters know they are available.
Some of bands that are on your wish list were playing MD in last 2-3 years...rest are just bands that we can not build our line up on.
I will explain what I mean when I say that; speaking of underground bands, If the band XY is on tour promoter will pay (let say) 2000 euro for them, but if the band is not touring you need to pay at least 3x this which makes 6000 euros + Accommodation + Shuttles + Backline. ...yet that band will not justify such high price. It will not sell additional 150 tickets. In order to make such "special" offer appealing to International visitors, and in order to make good PR out of it, we would need to book at least 20-30 such bands. All less than that is not something you can make good PR out of it and it is not competitive with BA and other festivals that are specialised on such program...although I have to say that BA drastically changed their line up in last years and is partly similar to MD. It is no wonder since when band is booked for MD is on hand for BA to book them...band is here and available.
( If we speak about exclusivity for bigger acts we are in hundred thousands amount).
Beside that BA and such are "cheap" festivals...they build their reputation on that fact. This is not possible for MD anymore. We have our standards and we have to make it financially profitable. Otherwise we are running our existence to the wall, sooner or later.
So, it may sounds harsh to you, but we are rather loosing 500 people that are maybe coming because of that underground program than loosing 50% of the people that are coming because of MD program...which is just balanced through whole genre. yes, sometimes there is more black, other time there is more thrash and so on, but this is is dictated by the many factors that are out of our reach.
If you look our line up on 2nd stage without headliners it is not far away from what you are asking for. In 2013 when we started MD we changed 2nd stage program and are hosting lot underground bands every year, unlike Metalcamp, but as I said, it is something we can not build on.
Believe me or not, our biggest problem was to make a switch from passion to profession. We once filled for Bankruptcy and were many times on the edge of Survival. As we are pretty stable now we will continue to work the way that it proved to us to be right. At the end many families live from our festivals and at festival itself we employ 400 people. It has to sell enough tickets to keep it alive. That being said our personal Musical tastes comes second :)
Have a good day,
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Fair answer more or less, but what exactly does this means at all:
Bo_MH wrote:
If you look our line up on 2nd stage without headliners it is not far away from what you are asking for.

That you're admitting this year are headliners really so-so for a random honest metal soul? Or that if we look carefully we will find 2 or 3 interesting 3rd tier band names among all other non-interesting crap performing this week in Tolmin?

You have no idea how much I hope that those four second stage TBA bands + friday's main stage TBA headliner's at MD flyer will be something decent for raising hands in the air, screaming, headbanging and generally have a good time on rough metal tunes instead of some hippie/hardrock/jazz/something/something/random tunes.


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Bo_MH wrote:
To be honest, I even don't know many of those bands...

yeah, thats why MD organisation needs persons (if there isnt now none) who are into metal scene and know whats going on there!

Bo_MH wrote:
but the fact is that 90% of those bands do not offer themselves for MD...not their agents do...in case they have one. in 90% of the cases this work exactly the way I said...agent or bands are offering them...it is not that promoters are looking for bands. I am pretty sure that 98% of all bands that are available is ending in my inbox. The ones that do not are unavailable or just not professional enough to let promoters know they are available.

so if some agent offers shit to MD you dont say no because you dont have no idea what theyre selling to you?


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Lifemocker wrote:
Bo_MH wrote:
To be honest, I even don't know many of those bands...

yeah, thats why MD organisation needs persons (if there isnt now none) who are into metal scene and know whats going on there!

Bo_MH wrote:
but the fact is that 90% of those bands do not offer themselves for MD...not their agents do...in case they have one. in 90% of the cases this work exactly the way I said...agent or bands are offering them...it is not that promoters are looking for bands. I am pretty sure that 98% of all bands that are available is ending in my inbox. The ones that do not are unavailable or just not professional enough to let promoters know they are available.

so if some agent offers shit to MD you don't say no because you don't have no idea what there selling to you?


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It is always surprisingly amusing how those that never did anything and have nothing to show knows better than those that are successful in what they do.

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papasmurf wrote:
Fair answer more or less, but what exactly does this means at all:
Bo_MH wrote:
If you look our line up on 2nd stage without headliners it is not far away from what you are asking for.

That you're admitting this year are headliners really so-so for a random honest metal soul? Or that if we look carefully we will find 2 or 3 interesting 3rd tier band names among all other non-interesting crap performing this week in Tolmin?

You have no idea how much I hope that those four second stage TBA bands + friday's main stage TBA headliner's at MD flyer will be something decent for raising hands in the air, screaming, headbanging and generally have a good time on rough metal tunes instead of some hippie/hardrock/jazz/something/something/random tunes.


Read again...and read that often until you understand what it was written....you honest Metal Soul...

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I must admit I'm disappointed you didn't go through my list and gave the reasons the bands were not on the bill, as you said on a previous post :mrgreen:

Bo_MH wrote:
If you look our line up on 2nd stage without headliners it is not far away from what you are asking for. In 2013 when we started MD we changed 2nd stage program and are hosting lot underground bands every year, unlike Metalcamp, but as I said, it is something we can not build on.


You are right about the 2nd stage in 2013. That was quite an amazing line-up. However, for someone that knows his underground shit, the last years have seen a heavy decline in non-big/medium-bands quality.

As for the rest of the explanation, I'm not particularly suprised. Like many big festivals, there is no interest in bringing specific bands. You just lay back and wait the email offers to rain down. It's an understandable policy for a festival like MD, although it is detrimental for a small amount of people primarly concerned with music (Bless be small/mid-sized fests that actually do give a shit!).

Aren't you a fan particularly keen a bringing a rare not so big band or two that aren't among the offers you receive?? Do you try to contact them and make efforts to make it happen?? if yes, why not do it more often?

And to be honest, I'm not sure about your underground non-touring band explanation. I know it was an overall view so there might always be exceptions, but from my experience, a lot of small quality bands don't cost that much.
Sometimes they don't even have a fee... and I'm talking about established bands signed to good labels! (Ok, that was a very rare example ;) ) But 99% of the time, they cost waaay less than the figure you mentioned and don't multiply by 3 their fee if not touring.
I know that the cost of some bands I listed could be covered with around 10 tickets, which is definitely not a lot.
I think the issue is mostly knowing the different bands (gather knowledge of what happens in the milieu), making an effort to bring them and improve the music department rather than camping the email flow of touring companies and pick whatever is the flavor of the month.

Anyway, I regularly go to fests with good line-ups (ie. that make thought out line-ups) but the fact I focus on MD is because I honestly think it's the best venue/location possible for a metal festival. So seeing that the main thing (the music) isn't up to expectations is disappointing and a bit sad coz it has the potential for the best of the best.


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^ again Im with Wombat what hes saying

Bo_MH wrote:
Lifemocker wrote:
Bo_MH wrote:
To be honest, I even don't know many of those bands...

yeah, thats why MD organisation needs persons (if there isnt now none) who are into metal scene and know whats going on there!

Bo_MH wrote:
but the fact is that 90% of those bands do not offer themselves for MD...not their agents do...in case they have one. in 90% of the cases this work exactly the way I said...agent or bands are offering them...it is not that promoters are looking for bands. I am pretty sure that 98% of all bands that are available is ending in my inbox. The ones that do not are unavailable or just not professional enough to let promoters know they are available.

so if some agent offers shit to MD you don't say no because you don't have no idea what there selling to you?


Keyboard Warrior par excellence :)
It is always surprisingly amusing how those that never did anything and have nothing to show knows better than those that are successful in what they do.


Like I have said - people come there by habit - not because of lineup which are not been that good in few past years... not that good thing if someone is wanting to enjoy music as well.

Overall atmosphere is of course great there but musically.... could be a lot better


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